(06:10:32 PM) Dieter Ulken: also why does alienware have 3d gaming laptops
(06:10:46 PM) Dieter Ulken: i dont wanna wear glasses while i game
(06:11:23 PM) Samuel Baldwin: hahaha
(06:11:23 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And
(06:11:26 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because Alienware sucks.
(06:12:24 PM) Dieter Ulken: no
(06:12:26 PM) Dieter Ulken: they really dont
(06:12:43 PM) Samuel Baldwin: haha
(06:12:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: yes they do dude
(06:12:59 PM) Dieter Ulken: theyre costly
(06:13:03 PM) Dieter Ulken: but theyre packin
(06:13:21 PM) Samuel Baldwin: They're overpriced and not known for their reliability or really anything besides being expensive flashy machines.
(06:13:29 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That you could build with similar specs for a fraction of the price.
(06:14:04 PM) Samuel Baldwin: They have terrible customer satisfaction.
(06:14:31 PM) Dieter Ulken: not according to what ive read
(06:14:37 PM) Dieter Ulken: but i suppose this is your field 
(06:14:38 PM) Dieter Ulken: not mine
(06:15:27 PM) Samuel Baldwin: First off, they're owned by Dell.
(06:15:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Actually that's all you need to know that they suck.
(06:15:59 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But even googling around for negative things about alienware leads ridiculous amounts of complaints.
(06:16:29 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Apparently, though, they used to not suck
(06:16:35 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Before Dell bought them.
(06:16:39 PM) Samuel Baldwin: According to things I have read.
(06:16:43 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But they've been shit since 2006.
(06:16:46 PM) Dieter Ulken: yeah
(06:16:52 PM) Dieter Ulken: well
(06:16:56 PM) Dieter Ulken: ive heard various things
(06:17:03 PM) Dieter Ulken: theyre still powerful as hell
(06:17:06 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And a five year old alienware is… not worth your time probably.
(06:17:15 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Dude, it's SO EASY, SO FUCKING EASY to build your own machine.
(06:17:16 PM) Dieter Ulken: of course not
(06:17:22 PM) Dieter Ulken: laptop?
(06:17:28 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You can buy from other places.
(06:17:34 PM) Dieter Ulken: i dont wanna build my own laptop
(06:17:35 PM) Samuel Baldwin: If you're talking about laptops.
(06:17:43 PM) Dieter Ulken: fuck desktops
(06:17:47 PM) Samuel Baldwin: desktops rule
(06:17:52 PM) Dieter Ulken: pffffffff
(06:17:58 PM) Dieter Ulken: not anymore they dont
(06:18:01 PM) Samuel Baldwin: More than one monitor = the shit.
(06:18:11 PM) Dieter Ulken: well yeah
(06:18:12 PM) Dieter Ulken: but
(06:18:15 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Full size keyboards = the shit.
(06:18:16 PM) Dieter Ulken: come on
(06:18:18 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Discrete mouse = the shit.
(06:18:23 PM) Dieter Ulken: thats not the future
(06:18:28 PM) Dieter Ulken: thats nerd wankery
(06:18:30 PM) Dieter Ulken: which is great
(06:18:31 PM) Dieter Ulken: but
(06:18:36 PM) Dieter Ulken: not practical
(06:19:00 PM) Dieter Ulken: no companies are going in that direction
(06:19:11 PM) Samuel Baldwin: … what does that even mean?
(06:19:34 PM) Samuel Baldwin: All the cutting edge stuff happens for desktops.
(06:19:40 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Graphics cards, hard drives, etc.
(06:19:52 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Having a machine that I can put more than one hard drive in is great.
(06:19:57 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Or more than one optical drive.
(06:20:01 PM) Samuel Baldwin: More than one graphics card, etc.
(06:20:06 PM) Dieter Ulken: most of the cutting edge technology is going towards tabs
(06:20:09 PM) Samuel Baldwin: A discrete random number generator, etc.
(06:20:18 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Qualify that statement.
(06:20:28 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Tablets have plenty of development, yes
(06:20:34 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But it's all about the screen.
(06:20:37 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And the UI.
(06:20:42 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And minimisation.
(06:20:47 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Desktops will be around for ages.
(06:20:53 PM) Samuel Baldwin: They'll coexist with laptops and tablets, etc.
(06:21:07 PM) Samuel Baldwin: There's a huge use case/market for them.
(06:21:15 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Even simple ergonomics dictate they're more practical.
(06:21:29 PM) Dieter Ulken: yes but it seems like the average consumer is more interested in minimisation
(06:21:31 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Having a discrete keyboard/display setup is MUCH better on your body.
(06:21:33 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Oh I'm sure
(06:21:35 PM) Dieter Ulken: hence why the imac is so popular
(06:21:41 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But that's a desktop anyways.
(06:21:46 PM) Dieter Ulken: correct
(06:21:50 PM) Dieter Ulken: one without a tower
(06:21:59 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Good for it
(06:22:06 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Laptop sales will cut through increasingly larger portions of desktop sales
(06:22:07 PM) Dieter Ulken: i dont personally care
(06:22:08 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And so will tablets.
(06:22:18 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But there will still be a huge market for desktops.
(06:22:47 PM) Dieter Ulken: probably but it seems to be more business oriented then
(06:23:05 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Or home computer use by anyone who cares about what's inside.
(06:23:06 PM) Dieter Ulken: ive observed that many households are opting for laptops
(06:23:10 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Which is a large and growing number of people.
(06:23:15 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yup.
(06:23:18 PM) Dieter Ulken: ah
(06:23:19 PM) Dieter Ulken: but
(06:23:21 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because for your average wanker they're more useful.
(06:23:23 PM) Dieter Ulken: thats the key
(06:23:28 PM) Dieter Ulken: so few people care whats inside
(06:23:34 PM) Dieter Ulken: if people cared what was inside
(06:23:38 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yup, and they'll continue to buy macs until the company goes under.
(06:23:39 PM) Dieter Ulken: apple wouldnt be popular
(06:23:47 PM) Dieter Ulken: ......
(06:23:48 PM) Dieter Ulken: what
(06:23:59 PM) Dieter Ulken: the company goes under
(06:24:05 PM) Dieter Ulken: clarify
(06:24:14 PM) Samuel Baldwin: As in, the company goes out of business.
(06:24:23 PM) Dieter Ulken: yes i understood that
(06:24:36 PM) Dieter Ulken: where you're getting the idea that apple is in danger of going bankrupt
(06:24:38 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Right, so I'm saying people who don't care and just want the average experience will buy macs until there are no more macs to buy.
(06:24:41 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I'm not…
(06:24:47 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But all companies die.
(06:24:57 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Some are behemoths and stay around for ages.
(06:25:03 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Like IBM.
(06:25:15 PM) Dieter Ulken: apple has more money than the us government...
(06:25:19 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Dude
(06:25:25 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I'm not saying it's anywhere near imminent.
(06:25:28 PM) Samuel Baldwin: At all.
(06:25:36 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Not even implying that.
(06:25:37 PM) Dieter Ulken: lol i know
(06:25:39 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Okay.
(06:25:44 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Even google will go under one day.
(06:26:01 PM) Dieter Ulken: of course but this seems rather irrelevant to the immediate future
(06:26:09 PM) Dieter Ulken: apple still pioneers 
(06:26:32 PM) Dieter Ulken: most of the popular appliances today were pioneered by apple
(06:26:40 PM) Dieter Ulken: smartphones
(06:26:42 PM) Dieter Ulken: tablets
(06:26:42 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You mean apple popularises.
(06:26:55 PM) Dieter Ulken: in a way certainly
(06:27:05 PM) Samuel Baldwin: All these technologies existed before apple put them in everyone's hands.
(06:27:13 PM) Dieter Ulken: naturally
(06:27:15 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But the people developing them beforehand didn't have the business acemen, or whatever.
(06:27:22 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I would just be wary of saying they pioneer.
(06:27:44 PM) Dieter Ulken: well you are probably slightly biased against the corporation 
(06:27:44 PM) Samuel Baldwin: They do have the financially winning combo of putting relatively new/obscure things in everyones hands, though.
(06:27:59 PM) Samuel Baldwin: How is this biased?
(06:28:42 PM) Dieter Ulken: nothing against you its simply a trend amongst many well versed in computer technology
(06:29:00 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because most people realise Apple is kinda shitty…
(06:29:21 PM) Dieter Ulken: im afraid they do not
(06:29:23 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Especially since they have a long history of being pretty terrible
(06:29:34 PM) Samuel Baldwin: It's only in the last 6-7 years or so they've even started to have financial success.
(06:29:44 PM) Dieter Ulken: very true
(06:29:44 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Dude, use an OS 9 computer, please.
(06:29:47 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Or anything before that.
(06:29:51 PM) Dieter Ulken: i have
(06:29:53 PM) Dieter Ulken: one
(06:29:55 PM) Samuel Baldwin: yeah, it's pretty fucking bad.
(06:29:56 PM) Dieter Ulken: next to me
(06:30:28 PM) Dieter Ulken: i far preferred it over our desktop running windows 98
(06:30:46 PM) Dieter Ulken: nevertheless 
(06:30:47 PM) Dieter Ulken: yes
(06:30:48 PM) Samuel Baldwin: By no means take my criticism as an endorsement of windows.
(06:30:49 PM) Dieter Ulken: it was junk
(06:30:56 PM) Dieter Ulken: not at all
(06:31:12 PM) Dieter Ulken: but it wasnt such an awful computer
(06:31:36 PM) Dieter Ulken: just by no means a thrill to use
(06:31:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: It… depends on what your goals are.
(06:31:53 PM) Dieter Ulken: also true
(06:32:08 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Evaluating for the average consumer who hardly uses the box isn't really worthwhile.
(06:32:19 PM) Samuel Baldwin: When comparing.
(06:32:39 PM) Dieter Ulken: we live in a capitalistic world
(06:32:52 PM) Dieter Ulken: im afraid the average consumer is always right
(06:32:57 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Ahahahaahah
(06:33:19 PM) Dieter Ulken: lol
(06:33:21 PM) Dieter Ulken: sad isnt it
(06:33:31 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Sorry I'm still laughing
(06:34:11 PM) Dieter Ulken: laugh to your hearts content
(06:34:16 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I shall.
(06:34:22 PM) Dieter Ulken: wonderful
(06:35:12 PM) Dieter Ulken: now wait are you laughing because you disagree?
(06:35:26 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yes. Yes I am.
(06:35:41 PM) Dieter Ulken: well sorry
(06:35:49 PM) Dieter Ulken: but thats business
(06:36:13 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That's just about equivalent to saying that Madonna is better because she sells/makes more than Darkthrone.
(06:36:28 PM) Dieter Ulken: from a business perspective yes
(06:36:30 PM) Samuel Baldwin: We're not evaluating computers on their business aspects.
(06:36:49 PM) Samuel Baldwin: The market is fickle.
(06:36:56 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And does not identify 'quality'.
(06:37:01 PM) Samuel Baldwin: There's way, way too many factors at work.
(06:37:27 PM) Samuel Baldwin: It's basically Argumentum ad populum.
(06:37:37 PM) Dieter Ulken: true
(06:37:56 PM) Dieter Ulken: but a good lesson to learn is the customer is always right
(06:37:59 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I'm never, ever talking about the business viability of anything regarding technology unless I explicitly state so.
(06:38:02 PM) Samuel Baldwin: No.
(06:38:03 PM) Samuel Baldwin: No they're not.
(06:38:05 PM) Samuel Baldwin: At all.
(06:38:10 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Customers are frequently fucking retarded.
(06:38:12 PM) Dieter Ulken: oh yes they are
(06:38:38 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Oh yes they are right, or fucking retarded? I'll agree on the latter obviously.
(06:39:10 PM) Dieter Ulken: if the customer believes that putting rockets on his computer will make it faster
(06:39:12 PM) Dieter Ulken: he is right
(06:39:16 PM) Samuel Baldwin: …
(06:39:19 PM) Dieter Ulken: and you will smile and agree
(06:39:25 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Dieter
(06:39:28 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Do I look like I'm working retail?
(06:39:34 PM) Dieter Ulken: hahaha no
(06:39:36 PM) Dieter Ulken: not at all
(06:39:47 PM) Samuel Baldwin: If that's your metric for judging things, fine.
(06:39:54 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But I'm going to ignore it forever because it's pointless.
(06:40:24 PM) Dieter Ulken: no
(06:40:24 PM) Dieter Ulken: its not
(06:40:31 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Just like the rest of the people who are looking at the technology for its intrinsic values.
(06:40:36 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Dieter
(06:40:39 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I do not give a single fuck about the market.
(06:40:50 PM) Dieter Ulken: well thats fine
(06:40:52 PM) Dieter Ulken: but
(06:40:59 PM) Dieter Ulken: your employers will
(06:41:03 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And I don't care how retarded people are, it doesn't make them correct just beacuse they have money.
(06:41:06 PM) Samuel Baldwin: because*
(06:41:10 PM) Dieter Ulken: ooh
(06:41:12 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Meh, depends on my employer.
(06:41:22 PM) Samuel Baldwin: If I work at Draper, which I might, I'll just work on missiles.
(06:41:23 PM) Dieter Ulken: well im glad you have strong morals
(06:41:26 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Non-profit government contractor.
(06:41:50 PM) Dieter Ulken: your work will be largely dictated by cost
(06:42:13 PM) Dieter Ulken: but you know that
(06:42:27 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yes but it doesn't have to do with the intrisic value of technology.
(06:42:31 PM) Samuel Baldwin: It's merely a pragmatic concern.
(06:42:40 PM) Dieter Ulken: well
(06:42:43 PM) Dieter Ulken: more than merely
(06:42:50 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I understand it's major in the world.
(06:43:01 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because of circumstance.
(06:43:44 PM) Dieter Ulken: im saying that technology has to adapt to demand
(06:44:11 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Okay, but that doesn't mean something is better than something else, technologically, because it sells more.
(06:44:22 PM) Dieter Ulken: not at all
(06:44:24 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Monotheism must be great because so many people adhere to it.
(06:44:25 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Etc.
(06:44:27 PM) Dieter Ulken: but then again
(06:44:33 PM) Dieter Ulken: define better
(06:44:35 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Again, argumentum ad populum.
(06:44:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: It depends on the piece of technology.
(06:44:53 PM) Samuel Baldwin: If you're looking at, like, a circuit, for example
(06:45:03 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You have certain principles you want to adhere to
(06:45:20 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Elegancy, functionality, reliability, etc.
(06:45:28 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That's how things are compared.
(06:45:30 PM) Samuel Baldwin: but often
(06:45:38 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You can't even concretely say that one thing is better than another in absolute terms
(06:45:50 PM) Dieter Ulken: so true
(06:45:53 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because typically their development is governed by tradeoffs.
(06:46:03 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I totally understand that you're saying all these things are better from a business standpoint.
(06:46:26 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I just don't care about that standpoint when talking about the actual technology because I'm an engineer, and I understand separation of domain.
(06:46:34 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Anyways, one piece of equipment may be faster
(06:46:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But it can only do 70% of the things another thing can.
(06:46:53 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But the other thing is slower, but more reliable.
(06:46:57 PM) Samuel Baldwin: So it depends on the use it's going to have.
(06:46:59 PM) Samuel Baldwin: So on and so forth.
(06:47:04 PM) Dieter Ulken: exactly.
(06:47:15 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That's how engineers evaluate things.
(06:47:16 PM) Dieter Ulken: and the one that sells the best
(06:47:19 PM) Dieter Ulken: becomes the future
(06:47:59 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Or it becomes a fad
(06:48:06 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Or it gets replaced
(06:48:07 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Etc.
(06:48:19 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That's an absurd leap.
(06:48:47 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And especially doesn't apply to desktops being on the way out.
(06:48:53 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because there's a huge market for them.
(06:49:24 PM) Dieter Ulken: im sure there is
(06:49:27 PM) Dieter Ulken: i dont really know
(06:49:34 PM) Dieter Ulken: i personally dont like them
(06:49:38 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Good for you.
(06:49:52 PM) Dieter Ulken: and my reasons for not liking them are shared by many
(06:50:00 PM) Dieter Ulken: theyre big
(06:50:04 PM) Dieter Ulken: that simple
(06:50:11 PM) Dieter Ulken: why not take all that
(06:50:14 PM) Dieter Ulken: and compress it
(06:50:21 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because then you can't fit more things in it.
(06:50:29 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I can't just keep packing drives into my laptop.
(06:50:38 PM) Dieter Ulken: well thats the medieval attitude yes
(06:50:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: … what?
(06:50:49 PM) Dieter Ulken: lol
(06:50:58 PM) Dieter Ulken: more drives is wonderful
(06:51:02 PM) Dieter Ulken: but why do you need them
(06:51:05 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Data.
(06:51:22 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Being able to easily upgrade my video card is nice.
(06:51:26 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Or have more than one or two processors.
(06:51:34 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Or adding other cards for various things.
(06:51:37 PM) Samuel Baldwin: More network adapters.
(06:51:49 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Random number generators.
(06:51:53 PM) Samuel Baldwin: So on and so forth.
(06:52:11 PM) Dieter Ulken: well as far as data
(06:52:15 PM) Dieter Ulken: one can have a server
(06:52:23 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yes, and you put drives in that.
(06:52:35 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But there's no reason to put your data across the network
(06:52:37 PM) Samuel Baldwin: When you could have it on your drive
(06:52:39 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And access it faster.
(06:52:59 PM) Dieter Ulken: and have a gigantic clutter of tech
(06:53:22 PM) Samuel Baldwin: What?
(06:54:07 PM) Dieter Ulken: well you have to have a tower
(06:54:13 PM) Dieter Ulken: and tons of cables
(06:54:19 PM) Dieter Ulken: monitor
(06:54:21 PM) Dieter Ulken: keyboard
(06:54:24 PM) Dieter Ulken: mouse
(06:54:40 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yup.
(06:55:05 PM) Dieter Ulken: whereas the technology exists to compress all that into a mobile unit
(06:55:11 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yeah but there are tradeoffs.
(06:55:18 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You only get one monitor out of that deal.
(06:55:20 PM) Dieter Ulken: there are always tradeoffs
(06:55:26 PM) Dieter Ulken: not true
(06:55:36 PM) Dieter Ulken: you can have as many monitors as you want
(06:55:38 PM) Samuel Baldwin: … so there are laptops with two monitors now
(06:55:39 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Oh
(06:55:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: But that comes with a gigantic clutter of tech!
(06:55:46 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Cables!
(06:55:51 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Power strips!
(06:55:52 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Monitors!
(06:56:03 PM) Dieter Ulken: not necessarily 
(06:56:04 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And god forbid you want to play an FPS, because you'd have to use a mouse!
(06:56:06 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That damn thing!
(06:56:10 PM) Samuel Baldwin: It has to sit on your desk!
(06:56:15 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Taking up several SQUARE INCHES
(06:56:21 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Of your precious space!
(06:56:27 PM) Samuel Baldwin: God forbid you want a full keyboard too.
(06:56:43 PM) Dieter Ulken: ahahahaha
(06:56:44 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That thing'll run you for like, two square feet if it's large enough!
(06:56:46 PM) Dieter Ulken: nerd rage
(06:57:01 PM) Dieter Ulken: :3
(06:57:07 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Heaven forbid you like typing on a full size keyboard, perhaps even if it has *gasp* buckling springs!
(06:57:40 PM) Dieter Ulken: lol
(06:57:51 PM) Dieter Ulken: yes there is an appeal in having the bat cave setup 
(06:58:03 PM) Dieter Ulken: but dude
(06:58:20 PM) Dieter Ulken: screw all that
(06:58:23 PM) Dieter Ulken: have one giant tv
(06:58:43 PM) Dieter Ulken: wirelessly connect a powerful laptop
(06:59:12 PM) Dieter Ulken: use all your systems with it
(06:59:27 PM) Samuel Baldwin: How about no?
(06:59:37 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Because I like having more than one monitor, and they don't need to be massive?
(06:59:43 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And I like having a full size keyboard.
(06:59:45 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And mouse.
(06:59:47 PM) Dieter Ulken: ah!
(06:59:48 PM) Dieter Ulken: there
(06:59:55 PM) Dieter Ulken: "i like"
(07:00:10 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Congratulations.
(07:00:12 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You can read!
(07:00:24 PM) Dieter Ulken: sam likes
(07:00:26 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Yes, dear god, my setup is guided by preference.
(07:00:27 PM) Dieter Ulken: so is better
(07:00:30 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Dude.
(07:00:40 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Your whole argument was "I don't like desktops because they're large, so fuck them".
(07:00:50 PM) Samuel Baldwin: That's a preference too.
(07:01:06 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You'll note that I haven't been arguing that everyone or anyone should copy my preference.
(07:01:09 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Just that people DO.
(07:01:13 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And thus these things should exist.
(07:01:16 PM) Samuel Baldwin: For the people who want them to.
(07:01:19 PM) Dieter Ulken: but
(07:01:22 PM) Samuel Baldwin: And that's a very large number of people.
(07:01:26 PM) Dieter Ulken: more people agree with me :)
(07:01:30 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Congratulations.
(07:01:35 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Argumentum ad populum.
(07:01:45 PM) Dieter Ulken: well yes and no
(07:02:01 PM) Dieter Ulken: because you cant prove your system is better overall 
(07:02:07 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Did I even try to?
(07:02:15 PM) Dieter Ulken: somewhat
(07:02:17 PM) Samuel Baldwin: …
(07:02:22 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Okay Dieter.
(07:02:32 PM) Samuel Baldwin: You on the otherhand have.
(07:02:40 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Now we're gonna start getting into psychology though and the humour starts to fade.
(07:02:50 PM) Samuel Baldwin: Derek and I thank you for the laughs though.
(07:02:54 PM) Samuel Baldwin: I'm gonna go eat, I'll be back in a bit.